The Hollywood Reporter just released the secret conversations, transcripts and files from private detective Fred Otash in which actor Rock Hudson was confronted by his wife Phyllis about his homosexuality, according to Us Magazine.
On January 21, 1958, Phyllis demanded to know if her husband was gay.
“You told me you saw thousands of butterflies and also snakes,” Phyllis told Hudson about a Rorschach test he had taken. “[A therapist] told me in my analysis that butterflies mean femininity and snakes represent that male penis. I’m not condemning you, but it seems that as long as you recognize your problem, you would want to do something about it.”
She went on to complain about “your great speed with me, sexually. Are you that fast with boys?”
Rock, 32 at the time, replied, “Well it’s a physical conjunction [sic]. Boys don’t fit. So, this is why it lasts longer.”
Phyllis also accused her husband of picking up boys off the street after the two got married, using their marriage as a cover. Rock denied the allegations.
The dialogue was recorded by the detective that Phyllis hired to check up on her husband. Otash charged hundreds of dollars a day to do this kind of dirty work, spying on stars from Marilyn Monroe to John F. Kennedy.
“I’ll work for anybody but communists,” Otash said once. “I’ll do anything short of murder.”
Otash’s daughter, Colleen, and business partner Manfred Westphal found a storage unit in San Fernando Valley with 11 boxes of records hidden for the past two decades and unveiled the information to The Hollywood Reporter.
Hudson kept his homosexuality under wraps from the public, though he was open within the Hollywood scene. Hudson never publicly came out and died at age 59 from AIDS-related complications in 1985.